tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33937439.post117038672038658987..comments2023-04-02T00:39:16.640-07:00Comments on Stochasticactus: Cecil Taylor versus BehearerPeter Breslinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15466530226652452872noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33937439.post-1170805918452789412007-02-06T15:51:00.000-08:002007-02-06T15:51:00.000-08:00Here's what I wrote:"As for free jazz, well, my pa...Here's what I wrote:<BR/><BR/>"As for free jazz, well, my pantheon of originals...Duke, Monk, Parker, Dizzy, Booker Little, Mingus, Miles, Max, Dolphy, Ornette, Cecil, Coltrane (etc.)...they wanted to leave the word "jazz" behind many decades ago. There is clearly absolutely no jazz tradition, let alone a free jazz tradition. There's amazing stuff that it is anyone's loss to miss. The music is mystery, the edges, lines, boxes, lineages, perceived agendae are all artificial, are all crafted based on some narrowing vision or other prejudice, enforced for self-serving purposes. A handful of Brits and Germans and other assorted visigoths and vandals pose absolutely no threat. They bring a certain...pillaging spirit that only serves to inspire. Players play and the world spins. Free free free. wahoo."<BR/><BR/>The whole exchange is on the last comments page at www.freejazz.org under the comments for "UNITY: A Lack Thereof - New Years Eve 2006 - William Parker and Friends"<BR/><BR/>since there were only 240 comments or so I figured I needed to stir things up....Peter Breslinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15466530226652452872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33937439.post-1170797681654654042007-02-06T13:34:00.000-08:002007-02-06T13:34:00.000-08:00"If you quote the bible, use profanity or call som..."If you quote the bible, use profanity or call someone a Nazi who isn't, you've lost the argument."<BR/><BR/>said by I don't remember who.<BR/><BR/>Bravo on the good work! Post the link!Stanley Jason Zappahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06526308723808269327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33937439.post-1170730723548997102007-02-05T18:58:00.000-08:002007-02-05T18:58:00.000-08:00by the way Sir Good Times, Jump Up, HELL YES. I wa...by the way Sir Good Times, Jump Up, HELL YES. I was going to include mention of that in my original post but Jimmy Lyons deserves more than footnotes. <BR/><BR/>As for marketing, yeah I figure Clear Channel got a hold of Behearer and soon Christian Jazz will start showing up on there. I am not kidding.Peter Breslinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15466530226652452872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33937439.post-1170725824458935842007-02-05T17:37:00.000-08:002007-02-05T17:37:00.000-08:00thanks to tig, Mwanji and SJZ for comments. I star...thanks to tig, Mwanji and SJZ for comments. I started a new thread on FreeJazz.org about Taylor's solo piano versus ensemble playing. I might start another thread on Behearer in general. <BR/><BR/>I got called a Nazi, Fascist nihilist on there the other day. <BR/><BR/>Awesome...Peter Breslinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15466530226652452872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33937439.post-1170715892605574142007-02-05T14:51:00.000-08:002007-02-05T14:51:00.000-08:00MWANJI! MWANJI! MWANJI!"The Eighth" is THE pinna...MWANJI! MWANJI! MWANJI!<BR/><BR/>"The Eighth" is THE pinnacle of the piano/bass/drums/alto saxophone instrumentation. A real watershed. The end of an era. As good as it gets.<BR/><BR/>Rashid Bakr (on "The Eighth") = King of all drummers on the Planet Earth at that time in that area of music. (Glenn Spearman ranked him right next to Andrew Cyrill.) <BR/><BR/>On that record, Rashid Bakr put a certain kind of playing to rest--no one before or after played that way, that well with Cecil. After that it was on to another (no less exciting, but markedly different) direction and strategy with the drums (Bendian, Oxley and everyone else.)<BR/><BR/>The rhythm section of Bakr and Parker on The Eighth = "The Alpha and Omega." It is a pity that Bakr and Parker never got to record with Charles Gayle in a trio (much in the same way it is a shame that Graves, Parker and Bark never recorded...)<BR/><BR/>When Bakr and Parker are the rhythm section, the "soloist" can do anything and still be totally supported. No matter how far 'out' the soloist went (Taylor, or Gayle) Bakr and Parker still 'kept the party going' so to speak. <BR/><BR/>+ + +<BR/><BR/>Does this Behearer thing look like a marketing push disguised as canonical study to anyone else?<BR/><BR/>Did I miss Dixon's <I>Thoughts,</I> and <I>Son of Sisyphus?</I> Is <I>Wee Sneezeawee, Give It Up, Something In Return, Burnt Offering </I>and <I>Jump Up</I> on the list--or are have they been let out to make room for Weather Report, Jeff Beck, The Head Hunters and the Brecker Brothers?<BR/><BR/>Awesome...Stanley Jason Zappahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06526308723808269327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33937439.post-1170555511994942602007-02-03T18:18:00.000-08:002007-02-03T18:18:00.000-08:00I agree with your summaries of the albums I have (...I agree with your summaries of the albums I have ("Brewing," "Salty Swift" and "Dark"), except "The Eighth." I really like Lyons and Taylor on it, but find Parker and Bakr a little monochromatic and indistinct. Maybe I just haven't listened to it enough (got it recently).Moandji Ezanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01507510837237294496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33937439.post-1170512543043695162007-02-03T06:22:00.000-08:002007-02-03T06:22:00.000-08:00The other striking thing about the decades you’re ...The other striking thing about the decades you’re talking about is that the ’70s had some of the ‘clearest’ playing/structurings from Taylor: this is the stuff that my piano teacher gave to me for ‘analysis’, and this is the stuff that I generally give to my students for study. On the other hand, it’s in the following decade (well, from the late ’70s—chronology is an inexact science) that Taylor’s (and his co-conspirators’) work leaps in complexity. I love this music for its information rich, (almost) sensory overload, but heaven help anyone trying to ‘get into’ Taylor from his 1980’s work (although some of the poetry still displayed this ‘simple’ ‘clarity’).<BR/><BR/>S, tigthe improvising guitaristhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07517613086214719180noreply@blogger.com